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Racist/Insulting chants at STA debate

Post  hootie63 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:08 pm

On Saturday songs were being sang that some people are claiming were Racist towards the Chinese now this as got quite a debate going on the official forum and it seems something the Politically correct have jumped on.
'Chinese **** get out of Brum' and 'Chinese w**kers'

Now it might be me but i certainly don't find singing "Chinese ****" as Racist yes i would agree it could be said insulting but certainly not a Racist chant, My pet hate is how easily some people jump and hide behind the Racist word.
Some are claiming that because Chinese is being used with other words it can be deemed Racist but i still don't buy into that.
You have the usual suspects who throw insults at you whilst claiming it is racist which for me is double standards and those who claim that it was aimed at all Chinese in the ground and not just the owners which they could be right but does that still make it Racist.

Or are some people just to PC for their own good which reflects why the world is in such a mess
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Post  hootie63 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:20 pm

for those who cant access here are Some quotes from posters

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It's one thing seeing probably the worst blues display in years but it will never justify racist chants from the crowd. In particular block 11 and 13 (but I've no doubts others were singing it) singing 'Chinese **** get out of Brum' and 'Chinese w**kers' is completely out of order and should not be tolerated on our terraces. I don't recall 'English **** get out of Brum' when everyone wanted Sullivan and Gold out?

I'll always support the blues no matter how bad they are but if we allow this to continue within the ground then I want no part in it. It's an embarrassment and speaks volumes for the small minority of our fans who really don't have a clue about anything.

I hope the club see this and make a point of doing something as I won't keep coming back if they don't.

I am not really up to speed on this PC nonsense...I am not racist that is for sure. I have spent many years working and living in foreign countries and embracing their cultures. If anything I am anti-English which is why I holiday to non-mainstream holiday destinations.

Anyway why is "Chinese **** get of of Brum" racist. The owners are all Chinese and I would of thought that was the applicable adjective. In the days of Sullivan and Gold they were often called "Cockney so-and so's" , again they are cockney and it was the applicable adjective.

Dont think calling someone Chinese if they are Chinese is actually racist. Im pretty sure its racist if the word Chinese is replaced by some other word.

You find it offensive because someone chants "Chinese" even though you're not Chinese?

So, you're just a do-gooder sticking up for someone in case they might slightest find it rascist or offensive?

Good on ya... next go after the SOTV song because someone somewhere might find it slightly offensive.

I find it strange how when the offending partie are Caucasian the word racist isn't even mentioned ie Utd singing anti glazer chants that involve the words yank? We don't want the Chinese owners but that don't make us racist. It's also acceptable in society to mimic a Geordie, brummie, Scotish or Welsh accent but not acceptable to mimic a Chinese or Indian accent. Political correctness like it or not is rasist itself. I remember some Stoke fans singing "there big there dumb, there car plants gone there **** Birmingham, Birmingham" it's a stereotype buts not racist is it?

I totally agree with you. It was a naff song and totally not the Blues way.

Blues simply do not sing songs about colour/creed/nationality.

We are not Leeds or Everton from the 1980's who had big racist firms, we are famous for being a multicultural club.

If people want Carson out they should have better reasons than "he is a Chinese". If this is the reason some people want him out then I for one want him to stay. The most successful period in the club's history has been while he has been in charge! 9th, a Cup and Europe! Thank god for the Chinese!

For me, it wasn't a racist song. It was an anti-owners song and their nationality was used only as an identifying term, not as a derogatory pre-cursor.

You have to take into account the circumstances in which the song arose, and ask yourself this, 'Is this song aimed at the owners because they are Chinese, or is it aimed at the owners because they are responsible for the turmoil that the club is in and their nationality is only being used as a descriptor?' I think I know the answer, and I don't think it is unacceptable.


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Post  SimonBCFC on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:23 pm

It's not racist. It's not even worth the debate. Precious left wing PC brigade claiming to be offended on behalf of someone else.

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Post  hootie63 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:26 pm

It isn't a red herring at all. Using someones nationality, ethnicity or religion in a pejorative sense implies that having that nationality, ethnicity or religion is in some way a negative.

Replace 'chinese' in this chant with 'black' or 'Jewish'. Is that really appropriate to be singing at a game of football? It has nothing to do with political correctness, it's just common decency. What's wrong with that? We are a club with a history of inclusion, of having a colour blind fanbase and welcoming anyone into the fold regardless of their creed or colour. We should not forget that simply because the team is playing like garbage and people want to stick the boot into the owner.

We're Birmingham City. If fans want to berate the owner they can - and should - be much, much wittier than this sort of lowest common denominator tripe.


Ummm, with respect I'm not really buying that one.

I don't like the songs. I don't sing the songs. But the word Chinese isn't the reason for me not getting involved.

Describing a group of Chinese men as Chinese seems perfectly reasonable to me.

All those Chinese fans Carson attracted to the club are going to be staying away from St Andrews in their droves now. Oh, wait...

With all due respect, whether you would find the term English [whatever] to be offensive is not remotely important. The fact is that whoever is making the comment is doing so in order to suggest that the mere fact of your being English is part of the reason you are a [whatever]. It is associating your nationality with a pejorative, it's ONLY reason for existing in this context is to be insulting.

Why does anyone need to use a nationality, a skin colour or a religion in an insult? Whether racist, xenophobic or a.n.other label you want to apply to it, it's wholly unnecessary and thoroughly unpleasant.

Are you being deliberately simple for a reason, or is it a natural state?

The word Chinese isn't racist, but if you use it as part of an insult then it becomes a racist insult. Savvy?

So, for those still not getting it...

"You've got a black shirt on" = not racist
"You're a black ****" = racist

"You like Chinese food" = not racist
"Get out of our club Chinese ****" = racist

Well isn't the world of political correctness confusing and a minefield?.....probably because it is a trendy lefty nouveau belief that is made up as it goes along.

I think that the original chanters were referring to the owners' nationality and therefore were not being racist. Just as Man U call Glazier a yank we call Yeung & co Chinese.

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Re: Racist/Insulting chants at STA debate

Post  evergreen blue on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:32 pm

Getting down to the actual so called chants at the time. Where I sit about 10 seats away from the Directors box, I couldn't make out the words. So can't comment on the actual words used.

However. If those were the words chanted, (Can't call it singing) then I would say they were borderline racist. It depends on your opinion, and there are thousands of those, just like assholes. We all have one.

I can say. You will never hear me saying anything racist for two reasons. 1. I owe my life to a little black guy, in Malaya. and 2. In business I had a Pakistan partner, a Moslem. You couldn't have met a nicer guy. Died suddenly age 40.

Nuf sed. Get real.
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Post  hootie63 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:40 pm

evergreen blue wrote: Getting down to the actual so called chants at the time. Where I sit about 10 seats away from the Directors box, I couldn't make out the words. So can't comment on the actual words used.

However. If those were the words chanted, (Can't call it singing) then I would say they were borderline racist. It depends on your opinion, and there are thousands of those, just like assholes. We all have one.

I can say. You will never hear me saying anything racist for two reasons. 1. I owe my life to a little black guy, in Malaya. and 2. In business I had a Pakistan partner, a Moslem. You couldn't have met a nicer guy. Died suddenly age 40.

Nuf sed. Get real.


I agree Trev about not singing with the chants
I've got many friends of differing race's and we get on well because we don't take things we say to each other serious and Claim he or she is being racist at the slightest comment but in the context of the song and words would i say it was racist then NO would i say its was Insulting then YES very different things also i just think the racist word is to easily jumped on and used at the wrong times which masks real Racist comments and Chants. Like you i never join in with songs like this and don't agree with somebodies nationality being used against them but does that Racist are many words that could of been said that would of changed my thinking on this and agreed i think the fine line between what is or isn't classed as Racism as got to thin for the worlds own good
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